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Intelligence Squared

Olivia Laing on Passion and Heartbreak in the Golden Age of New Italian Cinema

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

Arts, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Olivia Laing is an internationally acclaimed writer and critic. They are the author of eight books, including The Lonely City, Everybody and the Sunday Times bestseller The Garden Against Time. Laing’s first novel, Crudo, won the James Tait Black Memorial Prize and in 2018 they were awarded the Windham-Campbell Prize for non-fiction.  In today’s episode, Laing sits down with host Mythili Rao to discuss their latest novel, The Silver Book. The Silver Book is at once a queer love story and a noirish thriller, set in the dream factory of cinema.  Weaving a fictional account from the creation of Federico Fellini’s flamboyant biopic Casanova and Pasolini’s notoriously shocking, Salò, or 120 Days of Sodom, Laing explores the difficult relationship between artifice and truth, illusion and reality, love and power. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

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I'm producer Mia Serenti.

0:36.3

On today's episode, internationally acclaimed writer and critic

0:39.9

Olivia Lang discusses their new novel, The Silver Book. Lang is the author of eight books,

0:45.6

including The Lonely City, Everybody and the Sunday Times bestseller The Garden Against

0:50.8

Time. Their first novel, Crudo, won the James Tate Black Memorial Prize, and in 2018 they

0:57.1

were awarded the Wyndon Campbell Prize for nonfiction.

1:00.7

Lang's new book, The Silver Book, is at once a queer love story and a noirish thriller,

1:05.7

set in the Dream Factory of Italian Cinema.

1:09.4

Weaving a fictional account from the creation of Federico

1:12.6

Felini's flamboyant biopic Casanova and Pasolini's notoriously shocking Salo, or

1:18.6

120 days of Sodom. Lang explores the difficult relationship between artifice and truth, illusion

1:25.1

and reality, and love and power.

1:28.7

Let's join our host, Mitha Lee Rao, now with more.

1:35.5

Welcome to Intelligence Squared.

1:36.7

I'm Mitha Lee Rao.

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