Oleksandra Matviychuk on Documenting Russian War Crimes in Ukraine

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🗓️ 10 June 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Oleksandra Matviychuk is the head of the Center for Civil Liberties in Ukraine. She founded the organization to work on internal reform in her own country, but for the last eight years, she has spent a great deal of her time investigating and documenting Russian war crimes. She began this in the wake of the 2014 Russian invasion of the Donbas and Crimea, but the work has really accelerated since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February of this year. While in Washington to talk to U.S. policymakers about her vision of a hybrid tribunal to try Russian war crimes, she took some time to speak with Lawfare editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes. It's a wide-ranging conversation covering her own history as a war crimes investigator and documenter, the current challenge of documenting and prosecuting Russian war crimes on a scale we haven't seen in a very long time, and how the Ukrainian war effort relates to the project of defending civilians and preventing further war crimes.

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1:08.0	And then when the invasions started, all our partners from different countries told,
1:13.0	we will provide you evacuation transport,
1:16.0	we will give you money for relocate, please evacuate, please steal your life, please.
1:21.0	And I always respond, don't ask us to evacuate, help us to resist.
1:27.0	I'm Benjamin Wittes and this is the LawFair podcast June 10th, 2022.
1:35.0	Oleksandr Amatvi Chuk is the head of the Center for Civil Liberties in Ukraine.
1:42.0	She founded the organization to work on internal reform in her own country,
1:48.0	but for the last eight years has spent a great deal of her time investigating and documenting Russian war crimes.
1:57.0	She began this way before it was cool in the wake of the 2014 Russian invasion of the Donbass and Crimea,
2:08.0	but the work has really accelerated since Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine in February of this year.
2:17.0	She is in Washington this week talking to U.S. policy makers about her vision of a hybrid tribunal
2:25.0	to try Russian war crimes and she stopped by the goat rodeo studios to chat with me.
2:32.0	It's a wide-ranging conversation covering her own history as a war crimes investigator and documentary.
2:40.0	The current challenge of documenting and prosecuting Russian war crimes on a scale we haven't seen in a very long time
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