Old Man Shouts at Cloud – Could Trump turn off Europe’s internet?

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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Society & Culture, Government, News, Politics

4.6 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Daily life depends US-based cloud computing. What happens if Trump decides to use it as a weapon against his enemies, as he does with tariffs? Just three American firms – Google, Amazon, and Microsoft – control around two-thirds of Europe’s cloud infrastructure including the UK’s Home Office, HMRC, Department for Work and Pensions, and MoD. Could Trump order his cowed techbro allies to simply cut us off? And is anyone preparing for moment when America could hold us to digital ransom? Kieron  O’Hara – computer scientist, philosopher and co-author with Wendy Hall of Four Internets – talks to Andrew Harrison. • Buy Four Internets through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund The Bunker by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. • Support us on Patreon for early episodes and more. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to indeed.com/bunker to get your £100 sponsored credit. • Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more. Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Art by Jim Parrett. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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