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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2025

⏱️ 131 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court was asked to decide (1) whether a privately owned and operated school’s educational decisions are considered state action simply because the school has a contract with the state to provide free education to students, and (2) whether the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause prohibits, or the Establishment Clause requires, a state to exclude religious schools from its charter-school program.

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We will hear argument this morning in case 24394, Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board

0:06.5

versus Drummond and the consolidated case.

0:09.5

Mr. Campbell.

0:10.5

Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.

0:13.6

Oklahoma's charter school program relies on private organizations to create more educational options,

0:20.6

and it empowers those groups to innovate by giving them broad autonomy over their mission,

0:26.7

curriculum, and operations.

0:29.3

Fueled by private ingenuity, those schools are thriving, as they specialize in diverse

0:35.6

subjects like Native American culture and environmental stewardship.

0:39.8

But state law categorically bars religious groups and programs, deeming religion to be the wrong kind of diversity.

0:48.1

That religious exclusion violates the free exercise clause.

0:52.2

This court has held three times in the last eight years

0:55.2

that when a state creates a public program and invites private actors, it can't exclude

1:01.0

people or groups because they're religious. The Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board is

1:06.4

committed to this principle of religious neutrality. That's why it approved St. Isidore's application based on the strength of its proposal,

1:15.7

refusing to reject the group because of its faith.

1:20.4

But respondent won't tolerate groups like St. Isidore operating in the program, so he sued

1:26.2

to exclude them.

1:29.4

He now argues that the First Amendment, specifically the Free Exercise Clause, is irrelevant because St. Isidore is part of the

1:34.5

government. But it's not. St. Isidore was privately created by two Catholic organizations, and it is

1:41.0

controlled by a privately selected Board of Directors.

1:49.9

Under this Court's test, St. Isidore is neither the government nor engaged in state action.

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