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🗓️ 14 March 2023
⏱️ 42 minutes
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In 1995, Timothy McVeigh detonated a truck bomb in downtown Oklahoma City, in an effort to strike the federal government. Nearly 30 years later, many have begun to warn that McVeigh’s radical ideology is making a resurgence—and that social media is at least partly to blame.
In this interview, Lindsay discusses the warnings—and potential solutions—with Paul Barrett, co-author of the report “Fueling the Fire: How Social Media Intensifies U.S. Political Polarization – And What Can Be Done About It.”
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0:19.0 | From Wondery, I'm Lindsay Graham, and this is American Scandal. |
0:30.0 | On April 19, 1995, Timothy McVeigh detonated a truck bomb in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more. |
0:52.0 | It was the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in US history, and as law enforcement began investigating McVeigh, |
0:58.0 | they learned that the former American soldier saw the attack as only the beginning in a larger war against the government he once served. |
1:06.0 | Over the years, McVeigh had become a political radical. |
1:09.0 | He'd been swept up in paranoid conspiracy theories and believed meaningful change could only occur through a large act of violence. |
1:16.0 | McVeigh was ultimately found guilty for his crimes and was executed in 2001. |
1:22.0 | But over 20 years later, some have begun to warn that McVeigh's radical ideology is making a resurgence, and that social media is at least partly to blame for the rise of political extremism. |
1:33.0 | My guest today is Paul Barrett, an author, journalist, and the deputy director of the NYU Stern Center for Business and Human Rights, where he co-authored the report, fueling the fire, how social media intensifies US political polarization and what can be done about it. |
1:49.0 | Barrett's books include Glock, which tells the story of the weapon that's become known as America's Gun. |
1:54.0 | He also wrote Law of the Jungle about a lawyer's quest to hold big oil accountable for polluting the Amazon. |
2:00.0 | For over three decades, Barrett worked as a reporter, first at the Wall Street Journal, and then at Bloomberg Business Week Magazine, covering business, law, and social issues in America. |
2:10.0 | In this conversation, we'll discuss how social media has helped foster political polarization and extremism, and what lawmakers and tech companies can do about it. Our conversation is next. |
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