Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

I'm Joe Ovious Inside Eifford Studios in downtown Raleigh.

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And thanks to Copiers Plus, check them out online at copiers.com.

I was in the land of Copiers Plus this weekend.

That on the Wilmington, Ritesville Beach, Carolina Beach area.

I think you mean the home of the Eastern State champions.

Ashley beating Cardinal Gibbons.

Sad to say, I went to the Cardinal Gibbons game here in Raleigh.

Your alma mater won, but then they played a nail biter, won nothing in the deciding game down there at Ashley. So congrats, not only to Drew, who was an assistant coach there, but the Shepard family. I think you would like this. I was at the game. Do you remember Chance Shepard? Yeah. At first state big guy. He would just crank home runs. Yes. Him and his brother played at state. Well, the dad sees me in the stands and he goes And he looks at me. He gives me the one you know, you know when people look at she and give it the ones. Yeah. They do the thing. It looks to me and he goes, finally he comes out to me and he goes, how do you put up with Joe Ovious? Oh, really? Really? I said, I like Joe. He's like, no, I know. I'm just giving you a hard time. I was like, okay. I mean, then again, I get that same, I get that same question about you sometimes. Mostly from Kelly. Mostly, I would imagine.

Mostly from Kelly.

She understands the commitment involved there.

Yeah.

I take it you did not go to Charlotte this weekend.

Your plans were to go to Charlotte on Sunday to watch NC State in a ACC Chamber.

When I saw a chance, he said to me, I thought you would be in Charlotte.

I said, I'll be there on Sunday. State lost to Duke again. Yeah. Again. In the, in the OG therapy session, why do you hate Duke so much? Just let Elliot eat once. Please. Well, Duke didn't care about baseball for so long. They didn't even fund scholarships. Like it was this rack shamble operation. You know, it was like, oh, who cares? And Chris Pollard's a really good coach. He's done a really good job at Duke, man. Freaking Kevin White had to go on hire a good baseball coach. It's like this is what gets me mad about Virginia. Like when they do pop up in our good in football. I'm like, no. The balance of the world is you have to be bad at something so that the other sports can understand that there is a little, a little bit of something to it. We'll talk to Darren Bott about this in a little bit, but the balance to Duke winning these things is they don't get the host because of

the things that are kind of set up for Duke baseball. They don't have a traditional home setup

because they spend time between their actual home field on Duke's campus and the DBAP,

which kind of prevents you from, if I understand the rules correctly. Now, this led to, shout out

to Enoch over at Nice Prize because he sent me Cliff Godwin's Instagram account where he went full Yellow Pad without the yellow pad defending the resume. I was not aware. Cliff and Elliott are the same person. They really are, man. They really are. Mirror images of each other. One, the ECU version, one the state version. Yes. Yes. And for a while there, they didn't like each other.

And now they finally, I think they finally realized that they're the same person. This is Spider-Man pointing game. I think they finally have a built-in respect now, which I appreciate between the two of them. You know what? I have relationships like that. You know, me and some other people that didn't quite get along. And then we realized, oh, wait a minute.

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