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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Occupying Gaza, the Draft Bill, and Being Jewish in Germany - with guest co-host Ruth Margalit

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

Jonathan Freedland, Society & Culture, Israel, Jews, Documentary, Judaism, News, Middle East, Jewish, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality, Israel Podcast, Yonit Levi

4.7770 Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

As Israel signals its intent to reoccupy Gaza, the public conversation around the Strip is beginning to shift — but how far, and in which direction? Meanwhile, the battle over the draft bill continues to simmer, exposing deep divisions within Israeli society. This week, Jonathan is joined by New Yorker journalist Ruth Margalit to break down the latest developments on both fronts, and to launch a new series of conversations from across the Jewish world. First up: Ilanit Spinner, a German journalist, reflects on what it means to be Jewish in Germany in 2025 — and how the war is shaping daily life far beyond Israel’s borders.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Israel poised to expand its war in Gaza, aiming for a total reoccupation of the strip.

0:08.0

Are Israelis speaking about conditions in Gaza in a new way?

0:12.8

And the battle over the draft bill has not gone away.

0:16.8

Plus, we will have the first in a series of interviews from around the Jewish world.

0:22.8

It's Unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland in London.

0:25.6

And I am Ruth Margulite in Tel Aviv.

0:37.3

We are two Jews on the news.

0:40.5

We absolutely are.

0:41.7

And the news, you slightly think it might, you know, give it a rest, given it's August.

0:46.9

Your listeners, sharp-eared listeners, will notice that Yon is away this week.

0:51.2

She is on a very well-earned vacation. And, you know, there was a time when

0:56.2

it was very, very common for journalists to take August off, because nothing really happened.

1:01.5

It kind of doesn't feel like that way now, Ruth. It really doesn't. I mean, the news just doesn't

1:06.9

stop. And I'm afraid it sort of, there's a sense that it sort of keeps getting worse,

1:12.1

just when we think that it can't get any worse. It really does. But yeah, we have a lot to

1:18.8

discuss, a lot going on. We really do. No, there's so much going on. I think, by the way,

1:23.8

the turning point for me, maybe it's because I was a fairly, well, I was

1:27.8

an absolutely new journalist then. August 2nd, 1990 is seared in my brain because that was the

1:34.6

invasion, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And I remember lots of newsrooms were kind of affronted.

1:39.3

They were like, how dare news happen in August? Don't people realize I'm in my holiday home in

1:43.7

Provence? You know, this is outrageous. This is a long time ago, different era. Actually, in August. Don't people realize I'm in my holiday home in Provence? You know, this is

1:44.8

outrageous. This is a long time ago, different era. Actually, in Israel, there's... So, ever since... Yeah, well, in Hebrew, you say, you know, there's a statement that, um, that wars happen in summer. Um, so that, you know, in Israel, that is definitely true. There's this sort of scorching heat and the kind of rising, you know, rising

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