NUMBER 10 AFTER JOHNSON

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

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🗓️ 4 August 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Boris Johnson’s Number 10 veered between the anarchic and the chaotic, marked by resignations, sackings, resets, cake ambushes and work events. So, what can the next prime minister do to make No10 work in a way that can deliver their priorities? What are the key decisions they must take on their first day in the job? What appointments do they need to get right? Does it matter where people sit? And is 10 Downing Street really the right building from which to run a government? Sally Morgan, Kate Fall and Giles Wilkes, three veterans of No10, share their experiences of working at the centre of government for three different prime ministers, and give their advice on how to reshape No10 in the post-Johnson era. Presented by Emma Norris. With Cath Haddon. Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.
0:14.3	I'm Emma Norris, the Director of Research and today's podcast presenter for another summer special.
0:19.6	And today we're looking at how number 10, the heart of government in the UK, can reset after Boris Johnson's three years as Prime Minister.
0:26.6	Because it would be fair to say that Johnson's number 10 has been on the dysfunctional end of the scale, or perhaps just totally chaotic.
0:34.6	Despite numerous relaunches and makeovers, somehow the heart of government never
0:38.3	seemed to run that smoothly under the soon-to-be ex-prim minister. But how might things change
0:43.1	at number 10 after Boris Johnson? Is it about appointing the right people, creating the right jobs,
0:48.5	or creating the right structures? Is it about where people sit in this TARDIS like Georgian
0:53.3	townhouse or about the powers they wield across Whitehall?
0:56.8	Or is it simply about the leadership style of the occupant of 10 Downing Street, the example they set, or maybe just their ability not to be ambushed by a birthday cake in their own home?
1:07.2	I'm joined by Estella cast to come up with the answers about how to make Number 10 work,
1:11.4	including three people who worked there in different eras.
1:14.3	Sally Morgan, Baroness Morgan, who was Tony Blair's political secretary and director of government relations.
1:19.4	Kate Faw, Baroness Faw, who was David Cameron's Deputy Chief of Staff,
1:23.4	and Giles Wilkes, a senior fellow here at IFG, who worked in Number 10 and as a special advisor to Theresa May.
1:29.3	Thank you all very much for joining us today.
1:31.7	And I'm joined throughout by Kath Haddon, IFG Senior Fellow, our in-house historian and obsessive number 10 watcher.
1:39.4	Hi, Kath.
1:40.1	Hi.
1:41.1	Okay, so I want to start with a question for Kate and Sally, because it's a question that the next
1:46.1	Prime Minister is soon going to be facing. What is it like walking into number 10 for the first time,
1:51.5	and what needs to be done in the first 24 hours? Well, the first moment you wake up and realize
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