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CVS, I on the world. I'm John Bachelor with Gordon Chang at Gordon G Chang, my colleague and co-host.

Reuters, US Questions China's No, U.S. questions China's no first-use nuclear call given the

buildup. This is Washington within these last days. China has not responded to U.S. nuclear weapons risk reduction proposals.

Washington has questions about Beijing's call for no first use talks while China continues

to build up its arsenal.

We go to Peter Husey, who is our guide on deterrence,

and what you'd have to say is the Chinese buildup,

which is considerable.

Lots of holes to be filled in North Carolina. Chinese buildup

holes to be filled in northwestern China in addition to the unknown in the tunnels of

Western China.

Peter is president of geostrategic analysis. He's a fellow at the National

Institute for Deterrence Studies. Peter, definition. What is first use? What is no first use? Good evening to you.

Good evening, John, and thank you very much for inviting me on your show. No first use means no use of nuclear weapons first in a crisis or a conflict even if conventional

biological chemical cyber or space assets have been used to attack us and so it's been around for a while and it is something that

number of administrations have flirted with but none have identified none have

adopted it. And is there one simple reason why they haven't adopted it?

We've been back and forth in the pendulum for many decades, right, left, center, why not adopted?

Our European allies and our Asian analysts have said, wait a minute, if we are invaded conventionally

by either during the Cold War, it was Russia, the USSR, and now it's also Russia, it's also China and Taiwan.

They're saying you're going to take nuclear weapons off the table and just go on a conventional basis where we're outnumbered in 20, 30, 40 to 1.

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