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woke right yeah that's a great phrase and also we talk about our best summer

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Let's talk about the gender pay gap first of all. I think when the BBC did its pre-briefing of this

style salary stories, it did some great crisis communication direct because they were probably quite happy to talk about the

gender pay gap because the basis is something you can point to to say, we've inherited all these institutional

problems like John Humphreys has been there since 1873 and it's something that we're doing something

about right that's the kind of conversation I feel like the BBC wanted to have rather than

the conversation which will never be turned into which is how many nurses are there to a Gary Linica?

Yeah I mean I think the salary pay gap is quite this interesting and disturbing trend

of the rise of like the woke right you know where they've started to do this thing where they go,

oh but doesn't the left care about the gender pay gap or this whole new meme of

Philip Hammond said something sexist. Do you know who's not sexist apparently?

David Davis.

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