Hi everyone, this is Katia, executive producer of OTM. So as you can imagine, lots of feelings being felt here in the office Wednesday morning, feelings we didn't quite know what to do with also pressing what to put down the feed this week for our podcast extra. I thought, if I were an OTM listener, what would I want to hear? I would want to hear Bob and Brooke talking through how they are feeling today

and how they envisioned the direction of the show during the Trump presidency.

So we went into the studio to hash that out, and here it is.

So anyway, what happened last night made me think about what we've been doing the last couple of years,

especially the last year, and what we ought to consider doing in the future.

I don't think our role is to be Cassandra in chief or even consular in chief.

I think that our main role is to make what seems to have been invisible to us and everyone we know, visible. We have to do an even

better job of reporting and pull back, not entirely, of course, but to some degree from commentary.

I'm not saying we extirpate it. It's part of our brand. We've always been transparent,

and I want to continue that. I think we need to be more fair.

And that means we have to talk to people that we have discounted.

Do you think that we were unfair?

With regard to the election, I think that we fell into the trap of everyone else.

The focus was never on his supporters until the very end.

It's clear to me that while we imagined ourselves speaking truth to power, and I suppose we did,

we were also very much stuck within the echo chamber. And to the extent

that our message was getting out beyond the liberal, progressive, non-Trump supporting community,

it was probably dismissed as simply liberal boilerplate.

I don't necessarily regret doing that because I think we repeatedly had to make a judgment

whether the historic threat to our democracy and to our values was reason enough to veer away

from kind of in-depth reporting on what made

the electorate what it is. And that may be true. But actually, I think the bigger story that

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