Hey everyone, it's Kristen.

Welcome to this new episode of the Swiss elite pro-life podcast.

I am here in California, and I'm so very excited to be live in person today with my good

friend and mentor, Bernie Neal.

You all may have never heard of Bernie Neal. You'll wonder who Bernie Neal is. You're going to love Bernie just as much as I love her by the

end of this podcast. Bernie is a visionary. She is a former marketing executive. She's done so many

good things for so many causes that we all care about.

She currently serves on the board. I think you've probably heard of it. EWTN, the Magnificate Foundation,

live action, Thomas Aquinas College. She frequently consults with, you know, any ministry that's out there that

needs any help in marketing. She is just a wonderful, wonderful human being and connector.

She and her husband, Rob, are great mentors and friends of students for life. And we're actually

sitting in Rob's office. And when he's not here, we get to shoot podcast in his office so it's great

and so you're here in Orange County and then you're splitting your time also in Washington D.C. because she's a new nanny. I am. A grandmother nanny. Yes, that's both would apply. Oh, that's right. All right. I wanted to make sure people were like, why is she babysitting? Like, no, you're a nanny, you're a grandma nanny.

So I asked you to come on because I... I want to make sure people were like, why is she babysitting? Like, no, you're a nanny, you're a grandma nanny.

So I asked you to come on because this isn't going to be, I think this podcast is going to be pretty similar to how our conversations usually go,

minus the update about Kristen's life.

I gave it to you in like five very sad minutes before this.

But we always have so many amazing conversations about where the

pro-life movement needs to go. And I always kind of used you as my sounding board for, hey, I'm

thinking about this new project. What do you think? I have been, I believe, pretty clear in past

podcasts where I think one of our biggest challenges in the pro-life movement is our lack of marketing savvy and skill, our lack of dollars that we attribute to what our marketing and advertising budget should be.

And as we, you know, as we get ready for the dobs v jackson women's health care decision which

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