You are listening to Warren the rocks, a on strategy defense and foreign affairs my name's Ryan Evans. I'm the editor and chief of Warren the rocks in this episode is it ethical to serve in the Trump administration? This is a question we've heard debated time and time again this year.

I've heard this debated privately among friends

and seen this issue litigated in major publications from Warren the Rocks and beyond.

And of course we hear many different answers from different sides. publications from War on the Rocks and beyond.

And of course we hear many different answers from different sides as they apply to different

professions all in service of the state, from political appointees to cabinet officials, to civil

servants, and yes, members of the military.

But one group of experts I thought were not being consulted enough to help us grapple with these

questions.

I'm talking about philosophers and ethicists in particular.

So I turned to Pauline Shanks Corin and Shannon French.

Pauline is the chair of the Department of Philosophy at Pacific Lutheran University,

and Shannon is the Anna Mori Professor of Ethics at the Case Western Reserve Department of Philosophy.

We had a fascinating conversation, but the big takeaway seems to be that these questions aren't

new, even in the context of the Trump administration.

This president might present new wrinkles to old questions. of the

context of the Trump administration.

This president might present new wrinkles to old questions,

but mainly he is just forcing us to revisit and explore some really

important issues related to service and the good

that we should have been talking about all along

much more even before this election.

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