Some of the big things that come up that we are both a personal experience, but also that we are community shares with us all the time is, you know, really being unaware of how much guilt and shame and, you know, burn out would come with being a mom, you know, we talk all the time about how moms are burning the candle at both ends, right? They're so exhausted, they don't know how to pull themselves out of this. They don't know even how to take care of their basic needs anymore. And so we often will talk about burnout and those struggles that come with that

right? And the guilt of, you know, wanting to do something for yourself, but not feeling like maybe you have the option to or the support to and, and you know, how do you navigate that when you're battling almost yourself in terms of can I take time for myself or not?

Welcome to the Peds Talk Talk podcast. A podcast that continues to grow because of you and your reviews and how you tune in each and every week. A podcast where I get to welcome the most amazing guest to chat about all things, parenting, child health, child development.

And also really important to me parental physical and mental health today's guests are Chelsea and Caitlin founders of Mama psychologist.

They are best friends, authors, registered psychologists in Alberta, Canada, and most importantly, moms to four kids, five and under on their platform. They do deep dives into all the things no one talks about in the postpartum period and normalizing

parenthood struggles. And we are talking about just that not your mother's postpartum book, the things that no one talks about in the postpartum period, but we should.

Thank you so much for joining me today, Chelsea and Caitlin. Thank you for having us.

I'm so excited also to have double guess. I don't always have to guess on my podcast at the same time. So this is always a treat when it's a duo coming on.

Well, I'm so glad that we could connect. I'm so glad that I discovered your Instagram account and all the resources that you provided.

Provide for everyone around the world, not just Canada, obviously, but tell everyone who's listening who may not be familiar with who you are more about yourself.

Yeah, so I'm Caitlin. I am one half of Mama psychologist. I am a psychologist and I am a mom to two kids, one that just turned six and one that's three and a half and prior to giving birth and having children. I specialized in children's mental health, teens and adults and trauma.

But after my own experience with debilitating a postpartum anxiety and really feeling not prepared for the postpartum period, I really took an interest in postpartum mental health and how can we share what that moms aren't alone in their struggles.

Love it. Yeah, absolutely. My story's very similar to Caitlin. So I'm Chelsea on the other half of Mama psychologist. I have two kids.

Oh, my gosh. One is great now.

Together.

And yeah, I'm a registered psychologist. I specialized in child and adolescent mental health and perinatal mental health. So after my son was born 12 weeks early, I really became passionate about working with birth trauma and families who

journeys aren't as expected and are a difficult to navigate.

Well, I know you all have this book as well, the not your mother's postpartum book. And we're talking a little bit about that, but also just about the things again that no one talks about in the postpartum period.

And I know there's probably way more than what we're going to discuss on this episode today. So for everyone listening, make sure you follow them and I'll make sure to attach all of their resources on the show notes as well.

But let's talk about the things. Let's just get into it. What would you say starting off the bad is one thing that we kind of deal with, but don't really talk about.

Yeah. So for myself, postpartum anxiety and intrusive thoughts were such a big part of those early early days. And even as a psychologist, I thought, oh, yeah, I got it. I know the signs of postpartum depression.

Didn't even really think about postpartum anxiety, but then like three days after he was born, I was sitting there at the computer, like frantically googling

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