Hi everybody, welcome back to the The Therein 5 Podcast.

I'm Kate Kennedy, your host.

The Therein 5 is a long, form, typically solo-hosted podcast where I explore different facets of the

Millennialsite guys in popular culture and a oftentimes comedic, sometimes sentimental,

and typically fairly analytic format where I try to kind of deep dive the things that orbit around

us in culture and honor them for the influence they have even if their time in the media cycle

is short or is already past or is nostalgic. I was thinking about the different things I want

to talk about this year and I typically do, you know, intros to kind of set up and contextualize my

interviews. So if you want to hop to the interview, you can hop right to like, I don't know, probably 20

minutes or so. For those of you that are sticking around for my intro, welcome back. I'm glad

you're here this week. Today we have a really interesting conversation. I'm excited to share with

you. Probably if you are listening to this podcast, you will hear me often talk about my,

quote unquote, vague marketing job. And it's kind of a joke where I almost, I speak so positively

of my experience working for a big market research company following college. It was my entry

into the workforce and the corporate world. It shaped a lot of the way I do things now.

And I'm always trying to highlight to people like there's this whole ecosystem of jobs that are

kind of vague in nature that support some realm of advertising, marketing, agency work, third-party

data vendor supplier type work that like are maybe not as sexy and obvious as working for the big

media conglomerates or, you know, may not seem as like Don Draper in nature or honestly, my Don Draper

is Benjamin Barry from Howell Zagai in 10 days, you know, ladies, foster selves. But like the way

grouped, perceiving like the world of advertising and marketing was so oversimplified and tropey

relative to the actual jobs and careers that lie within it that really have a great deal of

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