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Now, from the high mountains of Free America, here's the Emerald City exile, Todd Herman. Jeff Wilson joins us this morning part of the Andrews and Wilson writing team and this is the new book and I have it and you don't.

Well you can get it now because it's out and the Shepherds series.

Very successful authors as I said earlier.

Jeff, welcome to the Todd Hermann show.

Hey, great to be here.

Brian said to tell you, sorry you couldn't be with us, but I'll do my best to represent the brand.

Well, you will do great at that.

And I want to just get out right in advance.

I need to thank my friend Tim Krukschank,

founder of Bone Frog Coffee, and of course served with you guys in the Armed Forces

for setting this up and introducing us and thank you for taking the time.

I know you're busy.

Oh, we're happy to do it.

Any friend of Tim's and all that, he's a good dude and he makes great coffee.

Like, if I was to guess like what's the next step for a Navy seal?

Yeah. Definitely a vineyard and a coffee company, right? Yeah. It's unbelievable like we

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