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🗓️ 4 September 2025
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Today on The Gist: It’s Not Even Mad. Mike Pesca welcomes Galen Druke and Josh Barro for a sharp yet civil debate on Trump’s immigration strategy, crime, and the charge of creeping autocracy. They weigh whether cruelty brings Trump political advantage, how Democrats should frame their response, and what “autocracy makes you poor” really means for voters. Plus, Mike spotlights where polls mislead, why midterms punish incumbents, and why branding matters as much as policy.
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| 0:41.3 | It's a, September 4th, 2025 from Peachfish Productions. |
| 0:45.2 | It's The Gist, I'm Mike Peska. |
| 0:47.4 | And it's a not even mad day. |
| 0:49.2 | Oftentimes, on Not Even Mad, we'll have two people who are ideological opposites, and usually they get along. |
| 0:55.7 | In fact, if I'd self-critique, there have been times when people who on the page have never |
| 1:00.8 | agreed in the studio get along like gangbusters. Whereas special note, actual gangbusters, the FBI, |
| 1:08.4 | the CIA, they're always getting into it over territorial fights. |
| 1:12.0 | You ever watch a movie? No, that body was found three feet outside of your jurisdiction. |
| 1:17.2 | I'm riding hurt on this. All right, gangbusters interregnum over. Our guests are two guys who are |
| 1:23.5 | really, really brilliant. Josh Barrow, his background is mostly economics, but he's one of |
| 1:29.9 | these brilliant thinkers and speakers who could hold forth on just about anything. And then there's |
| 1:34.9 | Galen Drook, who is a polling specialist, but you might think to yourself, okay, that means he |
| 1:41.5 | knows how to interpret what the public says, and he does, but he also has a |
| 1:45.8 | very good grounding in terms of political science. And you'll see, he won't lead with throwing |
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