Hi, I'm Ben Sass.

And I'm Chris Dyerwalt.

And this is not dead yet.

We're all dying, but only some of us have been brought face to face with that reality.

However long, each of us have to do it, though, we all want to live a good life.

One with meaning, love, and joy.

And our guests are here to help us do exactly that.

All right, Ben Sass.

What was your first job?

Oh, so good.

I walked beans, which isn't a job you really need to do anymore, but in normal

Midwestern crop rotation, there used to be sort of corn beans fallow. And so when you're growing

soybeans, you had volunteer corn coming back from the previous year. Now it's really easy to just

spray and hit the genetics of the corn. But you used to have to walk when you were like eight or nine years old, walk the previous year. Now it's really easy to just spray and hit the genetics of the corn.

But you used to have to walk when you were like eight or nine years old, walk the bean fields with a hoe, and you're essentially weeding corn out of beans. And since corn is so much taller than

beans, the adults can see from half a mile away if you're doing your work well. So it was the best

of all work because it was brawny,

and yet it didn't require near supervision.

Okay.

And what did that give you?

What was the, how did that benefit you?

I mean, it was an amazing sense of accomplishment that you could look at a quarter mile

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