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With over 7 billion people in the world, we all have one thing in common.

Every day we all get dressed. Welcome to Dressed, the history of fashion, a podcast that

explores the who, what, when, of why we wear. We are fashion historians and your hosts,

Cassidy Zachary, and April Callahan. So listeners, today's episode is part two of our

earlier episode this week with American fashion designer Norma Kamali, who just recently released

her guide to life, love and style, which is called I Am Invincible. Yes, so if you have not already

tuned into that episode, we highly recommend you do so to learn about the early part of Norma's

career. And April, I think you and I both knew that like us Norma was an alum of FIT, but I

actually did not realize that she did not go there to study fashion design, and that is actually

something you discussed in the episode earlier this week. We sure did, and we're going to discuss

so much more today, Norma. Welcome back. So life seriously throws curveballs at us sometimes,

and just as your career was blossoming, at that same time, your personal life was really

proving challenging. And you write in the book about your husband's blatant infidelity and his

financial misdeeds with your business funds. So you left him and the boutique that you had built

with $98 to your name. And I mean, I think that anyone who has left a very serious long-term

relationship like this knows how incredibly hard this is. So do you have any words of wisdom

for any of our listeners who might be going through something like this right now or in the future?

So just a note about my acceptance. So we were kids, right? We were children, and we met as children,

and it was inevitable that we would evolve into different adults. And so a lot of it has to be

talked off to just no life experience and no understanding of the world we had just

gotten into. I really believe that some of the worst things that happened to us in our lives

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