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download the Amazon Music app today. I'm going deep into my wife's family history

digging up the cold case of her murdered great-grandmother.

And did I mention that I'm looking into whether the murderer was actually the beloved family patriarch?

Binge all episodes of Ghost Story, ad free right now on Wondery Plus. Hey everybody we got a great one today you know for a change because norm

mornstein is back norm of course part of the al-francan podcast pantheon of great

guests how many shows is as Norm done? Peter. I don't know exactly.

Oh that's right we don't keep track. No, no. We should. Yeah, well if you're a regular listener, you know that Norm is a political scientist and scholar

emeritus at the American Enterprise Institute, and on Wednesday, I asked him to talk about the

Israel Hamas war. So like the one I did with Aaron David Miller a couple weeks ago

this is a very sobering one. It's been about four weeks since

Hamas's barbaric attack on Israel, 1400 slaughtered, 230 or so taken hostage and that has presented Israel with

some very difficult choices. Hamas launched this war knowing that it would bring death and ruin not only to many

Israelis but also to many more of its own innocent civilians and this is the

tragedy of this week and this war Hamas knew that Israel would have no choice but to retaliate

in one of the densest places in the world and bring a death to many Hamas fighters but to

far more innocent civilians whom Hamas deliberately embeds itself.

There are seemingly no good choices here and Norm and I discuss the roots of this war and

where it may be going.

It's a great but very sobering one, you know, for a change.

Today, hip-hop dominates pop culture, but it wasn't always like that and to tell the story of how that changed I want to take you back to a very special year in rap.

88, it was too much good music.

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