We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bazzina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly. The producers of this podcast recognize the traditional owners of the land on which it's recorded.

They pay respect to the Aboriginal elders past, present and those emerging.

My very first visit was the first weekend I was there and my daughter came down with my granddaughter who was 10.

I'll never ever forget the look of her face when she saw me in that space suit all tied up with cable ties.

One millimeter to breathe around my neck, my sleeves and just seeing all the table ties.

And she didn't know her reaction was,

do I go and hug you, do I stand back?

The look on her face, I will never forget.

Well I've said it.

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. Some of the best people I've ever met have been to

prison and God knows the worst people I've ever met will never go to prison. It's a funny old

world. This is Australian True Crime with

Michelle Laurie and Emily Webb. Our guest today is a lady called Catherine

who's lived her entire life in Horsham, a town located roughly

halfway between Melbourne and Adelaide. My children have a grandmother who lives in Horsham, hello Grandma Carol, so I'm reasonably

familiar with the community. I know that Horsham is small, it's sweet, and everyone knows everyone in Horsham.

It's probably not the place I'd go back to if I was a middle-aged woman who'd been busted

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