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🗓️ 10 September 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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On 22 August, the High court rejected Noel Clarke’s claim that accusations against him by more than 20 women were false and part of a conspiracy. The writer, actor and producer of the Kidulthood trilogy sued the Guardian News & Media over seven articles and a podcast published between April 2021 and March 2022 in which women accused him of sexual misconduct. He was seeking £70 million in damages. In a high court judgment with a 220-page document, Mrs Justice Steyn rejected Clarke’s claims, and ruled the newspaper had succeeded in both its defences: of truth and public interest. Nuala McGovern is joined by Katharine Viner, editor-in-chief of The Guardian, along with Lucy Osborne and Sirin Kale, the investigative journalists who uncovered the story.
Finding the perfect bra can be quite difficult at the best of times but what about after breast cancer? A study by Portsmouth Hospital and the university is looking at how to develop better bras to cope with changes after cancer surgery and radiotherapy. Associate Professor Edward St John is a breast surgeon at the hospital and an academic at the university. He joins Nuala along with Celeste Ingram, a patient taking part in the research.
We’ve all heard of the fight or flight response in the face of danger, but there's also freeze, and then there's fawn, also known as people pleasing, or appeasing. Clinical psychologist Dr Ingrid Clayton has written about this in her new book, Fawning - Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves and How to Find our Way Back. Nuala spoke to Ingrid about her own teenage experiences that made her want to help others overcome this form of trauma response and what fawning looks like in practice.
The Irish comedian Emma Doran is about to tour Ireland and the UK with a new stand up show, Emmaculate, and it's her third and biggest one yet, with new dates being added just this week. If you haven't caught Emma on stage you might know her from social media where her caustic takes on parenthood or schoolyard and workplace politics have hundreds of thousands of followers. She's a mother of three and she's also written a book called Mad Isn't it? which tells the story of how she got unexpectedly pregnant at 18, and after a decade of young parenthood eventually found her way into comedy. Emma joins Nuala in the Woman's Hour studio.
Presenter: Nuala McGovern Producer: Andrea Kidd
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| 0:00.0 | You're dead to me. |
| 0:05.0 | No, no, that's the name of our podcast. Sorry. |
| 0:08.7 | And we're back for a brand new series. |
| 0:11.1 | Not only is it British history, it was a quill drop. |
| 0:15.1 | With more fun and facts from history without taking it too seriously. |
| 0:19.8 | Empress Matilda, what is she going to do now? |
| 0:21.7 | She decides to take back some of the jewels with her. I'm taking these as well. I'm going to come back |
| 0:27.3 | for Tuscany one day as well. You're dead to me. Again, not you. Name of the show. Listen first on |
| 0:33.7 | BBC Sounds. BBC Sounds Music music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:40.7 | Hello, this is Neula McGovern, and you're listening to The Woman's Hour podcast. |
| 0:45.5 | Hello and welcome to the program. |
| 0:47.4 | Well, in a moment, Catherine Viner, editor-in-chief of The Guardian, |
| 0:50.8 | with investigative journalist Lucy Osborne and Sharing Calle. We speak to them about |
| 0:56.2 | the actor Noel Clark losing his libel case against the Guardian over their sexual |
| 1:01.5 | misconduct investigation. Now some say it is time to change libel laws in the UK. We will also get |
| 1:07.9 | into that. Also today, finding a comfortable bra after breast cancer. |
| 1:13.2 | We're going to hear from the surgeon who's trying to revolutionise what is on offer. |
| 1:18.1 | The Irish comedian Emma Doran is in town, so she'll be dropping by as well. |
| 1:22.0 | Her comedy draws on her life and womanhood, whether that is who to avoid at the school gate or getting a UTI. |
| 1:29.5 | Emma was a teen mother and it was considered scandalous at the time it happened when she grew up in Dublin. |
| 1:37.3 | And I wondered if any of you were teen mothers and how was it for you? |
| 1:42.2 | You can text the program. The number is 84844 on social media. |
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