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We talk again to Johnny Gall, founder of Dirtbag Darling,

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The outdoor... Okay, on to the show. The outdoors and Aaron outdoors is much more this idea of being vulnerable and exposed and like outdoors of what's comfortable for you in your life.

This is Aaron Sullivan, the writer behind Aaron outdoors.

As she says, her blog is as much about finding motivation within yourself to step outside of your comfort zone, as it is about spending time outside.

One of the reasons I wanted to interview Aaron is because I hear from a lot of women who want to make

a big change in their lives, but they're not really sure where to start.

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