Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition.

All right, let's bring in Mark Penn.

He's the guy I referred to earlier.

He oversees the Harvard Harris Poll.

He's a chairman and CEO of Stagwell, Inc.

One of the smartest political guys I think in the country.

I try to get you the best experts at top of the chain whenever we do

discussions like this, and I think Mr. Penn is there. Okay, so were you surprised that Trump

has got such a big lead over DeSantis and the others, first of all? Well, I'm in general surprised,

yes, that when I look at all of Trump's numbers, he seems to be holding in there pretty well.

In my poll, in the open primary, he's getting about 50%.

If it's a one, DeSantis, I think he gets 56%.

You know, his overall ratings are higher than Biden's.

He beats Biden by four points in the national presidential election.

So yeah, I've been surprised.

I thought, you know, that a lot of Trump's very rough comments in response here would hurt him,

but maybe they haven't sunk in

or they really don't get that much media play.

But he's consolidated.

And over in the Democratic side, Biden is also doing somewhat better among Democrats, not

better nationally.

So neither of these folks are really doing better nationally.

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