So joining us now from North Carolina is the aforementioned Bernard Goldberg.

Even Bill O'Reilly, huh?

You had a sneak that even in a-

I should not have said even.

But the thing I was trying to get across

and I didn't do it well was that of the three people,

Mike Wallace, Tim Russert, and you,

you were the only one, I think you're the only one who's still alive. I know the other

two aren't alive I think you're alive right? I mean you're barely.

So I said even and I shouldn't have said it that way.

But if you want to know, go ahead.

I want to know, look, when you and I were coming up in journalism, the art of

interviewing was pretty well defined. You ask the toughest questions and you follow up if the person evades as

Barack Obama did. You know, I cited the AP poll, I had that information at my

fingertips because I knew he was going to say,

oh, now, now it wasn't married, you know, I knew it. Any good interview

asked to anticipate what the answer is going to be to the question. That's gone now.

And I don't know why do you? It's because of something you said on a show

within the last few months that when people are asked to be to come on and be interviewed, the person who's doing the asking,

the anchor only wants to talk to people they already agree with.

We've become so partisan that we don't sit down

with people we don't agree with and when you're sitting down with people you do agree

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