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I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold. Very cold.

This is Barried Bones.

Hey Paul. Hey Kate, how are you?

I'm doing well. How are you? I think you're busy is what the rumor is.

I am quite busy. You know, my paperback just came out and it's unmasked.

You know, my life's solving. America's cold cases, but we added a chapter.

Oh. It also has new content in it. It's another case.

But I am now having to bounce around the country, you know, doing book tour type of events.

Do you ever get tired and the correct answer is no. You never get tired of meeting with fans and listeners

and readers, but secretly, you can just tell me, does it get tiring doing all the traveling that you

do? Because I don't even do a quarter of what you do and it's exhausting for me.

There's no question the travel beats me up. And book tours are especially onerous because I'm

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