Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very special guest. His name is Gardner Harris. First name is G-A-R-D-N-E-R. And last name is Harris, H-A-R-R-I-S. He's just published a book. And if you're watching this on X Rockfin or Rumble you'll see the cover

it's no more tears the dark secrets of Johnson and Johnson and there's a lot to

this story this is like one of our biggest companies in the United States and

there's a lot to go you know a lot to discuss about this book I don't know if we'll

be able

to get into all of it in 40 minutes or 45 minutes, but he is a consultant. He lives in

Southern California from 2003 to 2019. He worked at the New York Times, serving as an international

diplomacy White House, South Asia, Asia Public Health and pharmaceutical reporter.

His stories in South Asia about air pollution led to profound changes to ameliorate the problem

and his pieces on sanitation helped inspire the government to build more than one million toilets.

He was also a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

He investigated the Securities and Exchange Commission

that led to criminal charges against top executives. He also worked out of the Courier

Journal of Louisville, Kentucky. And in 1999, he won the Worth Bingham Prize for investigative

journalism and the George Polk Award for environmental reporting after revealing

that coal companies deliberately and illegally exposed miners to toxic levels of coal dust.

And he's also written a novel titled Hazard about his experience in investigating these

conditions. But he can talk more about that. So Gardner Harris, welcome to the show.

William, I'm thrilled to be here.

Excellent. So for people who haven't heard your name, maybe not this book, maybe you can talk about your long career, your research. I know the intro kind of, do you talk about this interesting

exchange you had from somebody from a pharmaceutical company? Maybe that's a good place to start and then your research on what led to writing no more to

use.

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