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For decades, white South Africans ruled with an iron fist overseeing the country's cruel system of racial oppression.

So why is President Trump now welcoming them to the U.S. as victims?

Today, John Eligone on how the Maga movement became obsessed with Afrikaners.

It's Monday, May 19th.

John, welcome back to The Daily.

Hi, good to be here.

I don't know if you remember this, but the last time we spoke was four years ago, almost to the month,

because in the middle of the interview, my wife began to give birth to our son.

Oh, wow.

She went into labor, and we did not finish the conversation.

Hopefully we don't have that problem again this time.

No, no, no, no chance.

So, on to the topic of hand.

John, since taking office, Trump administration has really systematically shut down the programs that designate and bring refugees into the United States from around the world. And then a few days

ago, the White House made a pretty big exception to that. But I want you to just start with the shutting down process for just a moment.

Yeah, so essentially, when Trump came into office,

we know he had this flurry of executive orders that he signed.

And among those executive orders was an order that essentially suspended the refugee program.

So this is essentially the program where you have people who are in

war-torn places like Sudan, where we've been driven from Sudan, people in the Democratic Republic

of Congo, where there's an ongoing war for decades now, tens of thousands of Afghans who had been

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