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No Easy Fix | 2. Tolerance

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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At the onset of the AIDS crisis in the early 1980s, U.S. cities began trying new ways to stop the spread of infection among drug users. Ideas that were first seen as radical, such as needle exchanges, quickly caught on—because they worked. San Francisco is one of the first places where such programs took root. Now it’s one of the places questioning whether they should still exist. This is the second episode of a new three-part miniseries from Radio Atlantic, No Easy Fix, about what it takes to escape one’s demons.  Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at ⁠TheAtlantic.com/listener⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:17.8

This is Radio Atlantic. I'm Hannah Rosen. Today, we have the second episode of No Easy Fix, our three-part series about why San Francisco,

0:27.6

one of the world's most innovative cities, can't seem to solve the very visible problems of homelessness and addiction.

0:34.6

If there was any series of tasks I could go through to get my best friend back,

0:41.3

I would go through hell.

0:43.9

Last week we met Evan, who finally made the decision to try and get off the streets.

0:48.9

Yeah, I'm like falling apart.

0:50.9

And in a way, I'm kind of glad, because it's kind of making me turn to, like, to stop.

0:59.6

If you missed episode one, I highly encourage you to go back and listen. This week, Evan takes his

1:05.8

first steps towards recovery, just as the city's mayor starts to implement a less-tolerant approach.

1:13.7

Reporter Ethan Brooks takes it from here.

1:22.8

Before Evan's life began to look how it does now. Before spending all day and all night chasing fentanyl,

1:28.9

it looked pretty normal. For a lot of people who are addicted and living on the street,

1:33.6

this is not the case. Even the idea of a stable life is kind of an abstract thing. But Evan had a good

1:39.9

job. He worked for his friend Joe in Northern California. He had an apartment and a family and a dream

1:45.7

of putting his son through college, something Evan's parents weren't able to do for him.

1:50.8

I've always been able to have a job in a house and everything and still have been able to use.

1:54.4

And when it got to the point of losing all of that, I was able to make the choice to not use anymore.

1:59.3

But when fentanyl took hold of him, when he lost the job and the apartment, part of him thought it was only a matter of time before the scale of that loss woke him up, forced him back on the right track. But it seemed to have the opposite effect. Losing all of that, you would think it would be more of an incentive not to be like this, but it's like the more I've

2:17.5

lost, the more I got like this. Like if you've lost the job and family and all that stuff,

2:23.0

what is there else to lose, kind of? This usually is called rock bottom. And the thing about that

2:30.8

phrase is that you pretty much only hear it when someone is telling a redemption story, their story of recovery, while so many people who reached this point, who made it all the way down to rock bottom, don't end up telling a story at all.

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