Javon Bullard says the Chicago Bears wanted to quit in the playoff game, but the Packers didn't have the killer instinct to make them quit.

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I'm Peter Bukowski, and I cover the Packers for The Leap, a newsletter I would love for you to subscribe to. Thanks to everyone who makes Lockdown Packers, their first listen every day. We hope you like starting your day with us, as much as we like starting our day with you here on the Lockdown Podcast Network, the number one sports podcast network. John Bullard had a lot to say about the way that the end of the season went for the Packers, about the relationship with the Chicago Bears, Matt LaFleur, Ben Johnson. We're going to get into all of that because he talked to Tyler Dunn from GoLong, our pal over on Substack. Well, Tyler Dunn is unlocked on Packers today to talk about that, to talk about Matt LaFleur, to talk about some of the things LaFleur said at the owner's meetings, to talk about Sean Ryan, who he profiled a couple years ago, who is now going to be a centerpiece for the Packers moving forward. Let's dig into all of that with time. Joining me now, our pal, Tyler Dunn from Go Long, who's got another big feature about the Packers out. Javan Bullard, Bull, had plenty to say about

the Packers postseason collapse, plenty to say about Ben Johnson and Matt LaFleur's frosty relationship.

A lot of stuff to dig into here, Tyler. Actually, I want to start here just with a little bit of reportage.

You have over the years got a lot of athletes to open up, to give us a glimpse into

sides of them that they have previously unshared.

Do you have an approach in particular where you go, okay, is it more about picking

the right subject or picking the right questions on your way in, a little bit of both?

Like, can you just take us behind the curtain here a little bit?

Not to like, you know, go super journalism, you know, new house stuff on here.

But like, I am interested in how you approach that.

I think it really just starts with curiosity, right?

I mean, you mentioned it right at the top there, Peter, where we all saw and heard

what Javon Bullard had to say after this atrocity of a meltdown that was reminiscent of

many a Green Bay Packer meltdown the last 15 years.

And I'm sure we'll get into it.

I did bring up 2014 to Javan.

He was well aware that there were some parallels between that game and this one against Chicago.

So all right, this like surreal loss happens.

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