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I mean, for sure.

You just don't know.

Let's talk more about the no body.

Prosecuting murder without remains is a difficult thing.

Anna Walsh's body has never been recovered.

Prosecutors have blood evidence,

surveillance footage, digital forensics, and a husband who admitted to disposing of all of that.

So that's it's accounted for. But no corpse, no autopsy, no definitive cause of death. Dr.

Atkinson testified that his office couldn't determine how Anna died because there's nothing to examine.

So how do you convict someone of murder when the victim's body is gone?

No murder cases.

There are no body murder cases are rare, but they're not unprecedented.

What does the prosecution typically need to prove here?

What do they need to prove in this case when there are no remains to examine?

Do they, I mean, does the evidence just speak for itself here?

I know nothing's truly open and shut, but in this case, does it just really less is more?

Yeah, I mean, it is.

It's a totality of the circumstances and the totality of the evidence compiled.

And it's all obviously circumstantial.

You know, I mean, you're clearly not going to have any direct evidence that the person was killed.

You're going to get evidence, you know, if you're lucky enough, if you're the state and you're trying to prove somebody killed somebody, you know, you hope that you have some evidence of blood, which they do have here, you know, and you've got the evidence of, you know, the Google searches, which are powerful, you know, you've got the evidence of him dumping, you know, but again, you know, that argument, like, that is really only evidence to dispose of her body, you know, and it is. It admitted to. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, like, in the, it used to be no body, no crime type shit. Like, that used to be the mindset. And, you know, it's, they're far more common than they used to be. I mean, think about sweet little Harmony Montgomery. That's a no body case. Think about Zacharii Anderson up in Wisconsin. That was a no body case. And he was convicted on that shit, you know? And it was like, there's a lot of people in that particular case. or're like, that dude didn't do it. You know, and he was just like the way that he was in, like, I don't know if you watch any of that trial, but like he was just doing shit on the stand or when like his kid was on the stand. He's making faces like, you know, don't, don't say that. But, you know, it was like it threw people off.

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