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Nikole Hannah-Jones and the Country We Have

Throughline

NPR

Society & Culture, History, Documentary

4.715K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Is history always political? Who gets to decide? What happens when you challenge common narratives? In this episode, Throughline's Rund Abdelfatah and Ramtin Arablouei explore these questions with Nikole Hannah-Jones, an investigative journalist at the New York Times and the creator of the 1619 Project, which is set to be released as a book later this year.

The U.S. is steeped in wars over history. Historical narratives fuel public policy and discourse. Today, the most dramatic battleground is the 1619 Project. It has pushed people on both sides of the political spectrum to ask how our framing of the past affects the present, to interrogate what we remember and don't remember as a society — and whether we need a shared historical narrative to move forward.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The past is never past.

0:09.2

This phrase, which is a remix of a passage by the famous American writer William Faulkner,

0:15.0

is basically the tagline for this show.

0:17.6

But it isn't just a tagline.

0:20.0

It's kind of like a guiding principle.

0:23.0

Here on Thurline, we're constantly trying to understand the mechanics of history, its

0:27.7

limits, the way it oscillates between the light and shadows, darkness and hope.

0:33.6

And ultimately, how the past and our interpretation of it has shaped the world we live in today.

0:39.8

This task can be especially challenging when it comes to the history of the country we

0:43.5

live in, the United States, the complex, murky, painful, and beautiful history of this country

0:49.5

has always been ammunition for the political battles of the present.

0:53.7

This is because the story we're told about the past shapes the way we view the world

0:58.0

and our role in it.

0:59.9

So history becomes something we're always updating and fighting over, whose stories are

1:04.5

being told, whose are being left out.

1:07.7

Who gets to decide what stories we teach our children, who gets the final word on truth?

1:13.6

There's a battle waging across this country over these questions, and there's one person

1:18.8

who for the last few years has been at the center of it.

1:22.6

My name is Nicole Hannah Jones.

1:24.2

I'm a reporter at The New York Times and the creator of the 1619 Project.

1:32.0

In 2019, Nicole Hannah Jones conceived and curated the 1619 Project, a collection of essays

1:37.9

by scholars from different disciplines that reframes the origin story of the United States.

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