This is The Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Bachelor and I welcome my good friend

William Devlin of Widows and Orfinsdot info, whom I talked with in these last days when he was in

Plato State, Nigeria, Plato State is in the north-central

eastern part of a very vast and important country in Africa. The most populous fast and

fast an important country in Africa, the most populous, the easily the most richest

with its blessing of natural resources,

and profoundly troubled.

Bill was there to deliver a container filled with medical supplies,

which had been donated to his organization. He'd raised the money for the shipping, and the governor

of Plateau State was attending the dedication.

Bill, welcome back to the East Coast momentarily.

Tell Amie about Plateau State right now.

Is it under siege? Is it feeling this this is a pause in this this

period of time between and is the government providing protection we didn't get to

talk about it because we were busy on the

dedication, but how is the security, especially in the capital, Jos, tell me, Bill?

Yeah, John, it's really unfortunately a, as we say in a current cultural parlance, it's a hot mess and inflation is out of control, corruption is out of control.

Corruption is out of control.

The new president, Tenubu, has done absolutely nothing to resolve any of this except going on TV on an early Sunday morning

when no one was watching and him pontificating about what he about how terrible the situation is, but he's going to resolve it.

But I was actually on my trip there last week, John, I was held up in the capital of Nigeria Abuja because we could not travel to

plateau state because people were Nigerians were riding in the streets and so governors of various states up in north central

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