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This is Milks Street Radio from PRX, I'm your host, Christopher Kimble.

I don't mind writing recipes that are the sorts of recipes that a lot of people sneer at. I just like using ingredients as I have them.

That was journalist cook and TV celebrity, Nigella Lawson. We sit down with Nigella and chat about philosophy, tray bakes, hash, and while you shouldn't bring any food, if she invites you over to dinner.

Before we get to Nigella, I chat with Pakistani journalist Sabah Mtiaz about Zuba Tatarik, a Pakistani TV star who is called Pakistan's Martha Stewart.

Sabah, how are you? I'm good, how are you? Good. Let's start talking about you. You grew up in Karachi and Pakistan. You speak five languages. You're a very well-known and well-published journalist and author. You're the author of the novel Karachi, you're killing me.

Let's start with Karachi. You commented in the book that it's one of the world's most dangerous cities. How big is Karachi and just describe the city and what it's like to live there for us?

It's very chaotic. I want to say doggy dog, but I think it's even one step ahead of that. It can be a very brutal place. It's also a really diverse, possibly one of the most diverse cities in Pakistan. Just a really fun and a bizarre, surreal kind of way place.

So, to just give us one example of one of the bizarre things that happen in Karachi on a daily basis?

Well, other than the fact that people get mugged for their cell phones, but the mugger then stops to ask you to put your thumbprint in. And I might even give you your phone back if you think it isn't up to snuff.

Or the fact that on Eid, which is one of the big Muslim holidays, one of the Eids where you sacrifice animals as part of a ritual, animals will be stolen, kidnapped at gunpoint, shot dead if you don't pay up extortion.

And so, you know, other sort of bizarre things people are always looking to make a quick buck. So, you know, when the airport was attacked, for example, you know, in miserable times people come together, but in Karachi, obviously the airport restaurants started charging money so people could charge their phones.

Because, you know, how else can we not make a quick buck when there is a great tragedy happening?

Okay, I'm on to a happier topic. So, you wrote a piece about Pakistan's Martha Stewart. What's her name? Who is she? And why do you give her that honorific Martha Stewart?

So, Zubalatara, who passed away quite recently, actually a couple of months after I wrote this piece, was, you know, this legendary television cook. And she was 72 when she passed away and she had been on television for over two decades.

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