Nicolle Wallace, Part 1

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.8 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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In this special two-part episode, Heilemann talks with his pal Nicolle Wallace, host of Deadline: White House on MSNBC, about the battle between democracy and autocracy at home and abroad. In Part One, Heilemann and Wallace focus on recent developments surrounding the House 1/6 committee: the seven-plus hour gap in Donald Trump’s White House phone logs from the day of the attack on the Capitol; Ginni Thomas’s text messages with Trump’s chief of staff advocating the overturning of the 2020 election, and the subsequent failure of her husband, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, to recuse himself from cases involving the insurrection; the ruling of a federal judge endorsing the theory that Trump is likely guilty of committing federal crimes related to 1/6; the pressure on the Department of Justice to indict him; and how the same struggle against authoritarianism is playing out in both Ukraine and the U.S. In Part Two, Heilemann and Wallace focus on the rot afflicting the GOP, Wallace's former party: how Republicans went from embracing her former boss, George W. Bush, to worshipping Trump; the role of Fox News and Tucker Carlson in particular in turning the right into a movement fueled by conspiracy theories and anti-democratic impulses (with Wallace averring that Trump, Carlson, and Vladimir Putin comprise a new “axis of evil"); and how the radicalization of the GOP establishment is, says Wallace, “the most underreported story in America.” Plus: Wallace reacts to the return of Sarah Palin — her bête noire as a staffer for John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, as famously recounted in Heilemann's book and film, Game Change — as a candidate for Congress in Alaska. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:35.4	from the commanding heights of governments east and west to the bomb-ravaged, blood-soaked
1:41.0	battlefields of Ukraine. Some of that news is terrifying and grotesque.
1:46.3	The mounting evidence of Russia's war crimes,
1:48.7	which has led President Zelensky to claim that Vladimir Putin is pursuing a policy of straight-up
1:53.0	genocide against the Ukrainian people for one thing.
1:57.1	By comparison, some of the news is merely shocking and appalling.
2:01.8	Ginny Thomas's bat-shit crazy Q-Anon-infused text messages to Mark Meadows, advocating nothing
2:08.0	less than a coup d'etat on January 6th, and her Supreme Court Justice Husbands failure to disclose
2:13.5	her manic, frantic, antic, and clearly seditious lunacy, let alone recuse himself from more than
2:20.3	one case directly dealing with the insurrection and White House communications pertaining to it.
2:26.8	Some of the news, as is often been the case with stories involving Donald Trump, is at once
2:32.2	somehow utterly unsurprising and yet still jaw-dropping and
2:36.6	the more than seven-hour gap in the former guy's White House call logs on that fateful day,
2:42.6	January 6th, which of course summons up vivid memories and bangs out deafening echoes
2:47.9	of the darkest days and most flagrant abuses of White House power
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