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It's so funny because when you look at the guys, that's never a topic of conversation.

Yeah. What you look like. It's all, did you watch the football last night? It's never about,

I'll watch your skincare routine. Whereas women walk into a room

and because we've been taught

to be pitted against each other,

not always,

but sometimes there's,

oh my God, you know, I can't.

It's a bit of a barrier.

Yeah, yeah,

and it shouldn't be there.

We should be trying to change that stereotype

believing that there is space for everybody.

Yeah. that stereotype, believing that there is space for everybody. Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. Shield Kapadia here with Deontay Lee and Stephen Ruiz.

We have reached a new stage of summer.

You know, you got the practice report season, but now it turns into preseason game.

So that's what we're talking about today.

What are we watching in the preseason?

What matters?

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