Next Time You’re Suffering, Ask Yourself This Question | Caverly Morgan
10% Happier with Dan Harris
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🗓️ 20 August 2025
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
The highest form of self compassion (is seeing there’s no self in the first place).
Caverly Morgan is a meditation teacher who blends the original spirit of Zen with a modern nondual approach, drawing from her eight years of training in a silent Zen monastery. She's authored two books—The Heart of Who We Are: Realizing Freedom Together and A Kids Book About Mindfulness. Caverly is also the Founder and Lead Contemplative of two nonprofits—Peace in Schools, creating the first U.S. semester-long credited mindfulness course in high schools, and Realizing Freedom Together, dedicated to making practices that lead to liberation for all, accessible to all. Learn more at caverlymorgan.org
In this episode we talk about:
- How to move past a constricted view of the self
- Relative vs absolute truth
- Joseph Goldstein tips on getting a glimpse of no self
- The perks of meat and potato dharma
- More practices to help supercharge our practice
- How love and self-compassion factor into all of this
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris. |
| 0:18.7 | Hello, my fellow suffering beings, how are we doing today? |
| 0:21.8 | Today we're going to talk about a great question that you can ask yourself next time you are suffering in any way. |
| 0:29.6 | We will reveal what that question is and how to deploy it in the course of this interview, |
| 0:34.6 | in which we're also going to talk about an acronym that you can use |
| 0:37.7 | when you're freaking out, how and why to get curious when the more obnoxious aspects of your |
| 0:44.4 | inner repertoire are impacting your present moment behavior, and the benefits of what I call |
| 0:49.8 | contemplative cross-training. This episode is like a cornucopia of wisdom. And my guest is |
| 0:55.4 | Kaverling Morgan, who started meditating back in 1995 and went on to do eight years in a silent |
| 1:01.1 | Zen monastery. She's written a few books, including The Heart of Who We Are and a kid's book about |
| 1:06.1 | mindfulness. And she is the founder of two non-profits, peace in schools, and realizing freedom together. |
| 1:12.9 | Heads up, we also talk here at some length about the concepts of non-duality and the illusion |
| 1:19.6 | of the self. This is fascinating, important, and potentially liberating stuff, but this stuff |
| 1:26.3 | can also break people's brains. So as you will hear, I try to place myself in the role of advocate for you, the listener. I think we land in a pretty good place by the end. At least I hope we do. Hit me up in the chat over at Dan Harris.com if you have feedback. As always, we've produced a guided meditation to go along with the episode. It's all about |
| 1:45.4 | how to bring down the volume on the voice in your head, and it comes from our teacher of the month, |
| 1:50.6 | Kyra Jewel Lingo. It's really good, and it's available over in the ad-free podcast feed for all |
| 1:55.9 | paid subscribers at Danharris.com. Go check it out. Speaking of meditations, two more things to say before we get |
| 2:01.6 | into the episode here. First thing, next month, we're going to start doing weekly live guided |
| 2:06.0 | meditation sessions on video every Tuesday afternoon. We do a meditation followed by Q&A starting |
| 2:12.3 | September 2nd on Dan Harris.com. Some of these sessions will be led by me others will be led by our teacher |
| 2:18.3 | of the month sometimes we'll do it together in fact next month's teacher of the month vini ferraro |
| 2:23.3 | a fan favorite and a favorite of mine he and i are going to do a live guided meditation sesh on |
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