This is

is CBS Island the World. I'm John Bachelor.

The Five Eyes and Aucus.

The puzzle has been since Aukis was put together in 23 and 22.

Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

That's three of five eyes. What about Canada? What about New Zealand? Now we have a headline.

Canada, New Zealand, and South Korea in contention as future Aukus partners.

This on the same... attention as future Aukas partners.

This on the same direction as all the other puzzling

negotiations between these five eyes, these last years. I'm lucky enough, however, to have an informant from New Zealand, the

smallest and farthest away from Washington at the same time has been an outsider at the center in some of the foreign policy these last decades.

This headline indicates no longer.

I welcome Ruben Steff, Professor Ruben Steff, International Relations at Waikatoi University

in Hamilton, New Zealand to comment on this headline and the direction the new government in New Zealand is taking with regard the defense of East Asia from the Chinese predators.

Rubin, a very good evening to you. Thank you for this.

This headline in Washington, is it misleading or is New Zealand promoting itself as wanting to join Aukis? Good evening to you.

Good evening to you, John. Thanks for having me.

That headline is suggestive and accurate of the direction of travel

the New Zealand foreign policy is moving towards.

That is to deepen our ties with traditional

partners especially Australia and the United States but of course hey that can

include the UK maybe through expanded orcus could, Japan, and so on.

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