I'm John Bachelor with my colleagues Ernesto Arrujo, the Republic of Brazil,

former Foreign Minister Joseph Umar Executive Director's Cure Free Society.

Ernesto, I begin with you because Central America has an election imminent in El Salvador.

President Bukale is going to be overwhelmingly re-elected because he jailed people.

I don't know, he's very popular, because he took a risk in Bitcoin, which may or may not

pay off, because he's neither right nor left, because he seems

to have his own intention.

But it doesn't look like free and fair elections.

It looks like he very much is dominating this story.

Is that a model for the future for Latin America in your measure, Ernesto?

A strong man I think that used to be called a cardillo.

Well, John, no, I don't think a coldillo or anything that goes away from democracy is a good solution. Of course, Bukhili is extremely popular because he faced

head-on organized crime and yeah he turned El Salvador around in that in that

regard. So to his credit he did that. I think you can associate this figure to someone

like Alberto Fujimori and Peru in the 90s who was considered an authoritarian president but it's the one who

were defeated Sandero Luminoso, the terrorist organization that was about to destroy Peru. So you don't need an authoritarian approach to fight organized crime.

What you need is, again, a good diagnosis of the situation good political backing and backing from the international community.

So okay I think there's some positive, some negative aspects about the bookie, but he doesn't serve as a model.

I think some people who want to preserve the system of organized crime in Latin America the system of corruption and crime associated with each other.

Those people want to sell the idea, okay, look, the only way to fight crime is with an authoritarian government so we don't want an authoritarian

government so let's just address the social issues and things like that like we said

before it's not the question you can have democracy issues and things like that, like we said before.

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