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I'm John Batchel with my colleagues, Ernesto Arrusha, former foreign minister of the Republic of Brazil,

and Joseph Umar, executive director of Secure Free Society.

Ernesto, we have talked many, many months about China and its presentation of Belt and Road,

or what comes after Belt and Road,

which is to use the natural resources of Latin America.

Is Lula's government closer to China than ever,

or is there some distancing going on?

Because I know Lula has changed directions about other sympathies he's had.

What is the G20's meeting in Rio right now?

How is Lula with She?

Is Lula going to be making friendly gestures?

Is there going to be big deal signed?

What is your measure?

We have a couple of minutes.

Yes, John, by all means, after the summit itself, Lula is going to receive

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