This is CBSI in the world. The New World Report. I'm John Batchewith, Joseph Oomar, Executive

Director of Secure Free Society, and Ernesto Arojo, former Foreign Minister of the Republic

of Brazil. We go to Brazil because there's news. One, President Bolsonaro losing the

contest to Lula de Silva closely last year has now been disenfranchised by a Brazilian

court from running for office for eight years, from elected office for eight years. Therefore,

the vacuum not being welcome, Reuters has a story from Brazilia. The governor of Brazil's

wealthiest and most popular state, Tarsissio de Fratus, has emerged as an early contender

to lead conservatives after his mentor, President Bolsonaro, was barred from elective office

for eight years. Ernesto, I come to you on this because there is turmoil in many elections

in the Americas. Guatemala, we just talked about. Certainly, there's unhappiness anticipated

in Ecuador. Brazil's election was resolved, however, with Lula de Silva now firmly in place

and Bolsonaro looking for a re-election, but that's not going to happen according to

the courts. Now we have a new name, Tarsissio de Fratus. He represents Sao Paulo. My memory

is that that was a state that was the center of support for Mr. Bolsonaro. Is Tarsissio

de Fratus the new Bolsonaro? What is his direction? Good, thank you.

Well, John, no, Tarsissio is not a new Bolsonaro. What the system that runs Brazil, the unfortunately

very corrupt system that runs Brazil is trying to do for a few years, was to kill any sort

of authentic conservative opposition to the system, Bolsonaro. So they cut wings, they

forced him into agreements with the system. Now they turned him into an unelectable candidate

and they want to propel Tarsissio de Fratus as his successor. Why? Because Tarsissio is

very thin, his very close to the system, to the left, to the center left. Tarsissio, he

was the minister for infrastructure. And there was a sonar when I was a foreign minister,

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