This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. Brazil. I welcome Ernesto Arujo, former foreign minister to the Republic of Brazil, to help me understand a story that's spilling out across the world in all languages.

Higher-Pulsanero, the previous president of Brazil, is now said to be facing an

indictment for conspiracy not only to overwhelm the government, but there is talk of assassination

of the president, Lula de Silva. The news we had 48 hours ago, Bolsonaro's coup indictment postponed by Brazil's top prosecutor

postponed. However, the headlines don't make much of that. They go on and start talking about

the scale of what the general prosecutor, Paulo Gonetett has on the former president.

There are other names mentioned here, and I need help from Ernesto to understand where this is going,

because there have been harassing accusations against Mr. Bolsonaro since he lost the election

in the beginning of 23.

A very good evening to you, Ernesto.

This is a tangle, and you can help me.

Bolsonaro right now, is he free or is he incarcerated?

And what is the threat?

Good evening to you.

So, good evening, John.

Yeah, it's a tango or soap opera, if you prefer.

So, no, President Bolsonaro is free, although he can't leave the country, but that has been for quite a while now.

His passport has been seized.

But though, he's free.

And, yeah, this is one more chapter in that soap opera.

Well, before there was the speculation that, well, President Bolsonaro wanted to state a coup, right?

But the evidence presented was that he considered applying one or two articles of the Brazilian

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