This is a CBSI and the world. I'm John Bachelor with Ernesto Arruja, former Foreign Minister of the Republic of Brazil and Joseph Uma are Executive Director of

Security Society of Visiting Fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

Ernesto I come to you because of headlines about Uruguay that suggest that

there's more to this story.

Uruguay, China, agree to pursue bilateral trade

pact as well as Mercosur Deal.

The Uruguay and President Louis Lacale Po, I believe is how you say that, but you can correct me.

Is now applauding the presentation of China's need to trade with Uruguay.

I match this up with Paraguay, which as I recall has a new president as well and is sympathetic to Taiwan

which puts it at odds with Beijing. I match this up with Brazil and Argentina

because that's the tribe order region.

What is Uruguay's stance in all of this change in Buenos Aires, in the questions about

smuggling in Hezbollah and in the new regime of Lula de Siv in Brazil.

Is it an easy balance for Uruguay and Paraguay?

Thank you.

Well, John, Paraguay and Uruguay have traditionally been followed some sort of pendulum

diplomacy between Brazil and Argentina.

And so in a sense it's good for them when Brazil and Argentina don't see eye to eye because they can kind of administer those relations.

But deeper than that, they are, yes, they're following different paths I mean each with its own

strategy so when Brazil got so close to China over the last couple of decades, Paraguay insisted in its relationship with Taiwan, that's a way of having some sort of bargaining chip with Brazil. On the other hand, Uruguay, I think they are benefiting

from a more kind of friendly policy,

the south of policies from Lula and from the still current

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