Hi, this is Katia, executive producer of On the Media.

So this week in Chicago, Bob accepted an award on behalf of the whole team from the National

Alliance for Media Literacy Education.

While there, he sat down with former FCC chairman Newton Minow for a wide-ranging discussion

about media in the Kennedy era, the takeover of social media, and an anecdote

involving Gilligan's Island.

Here's Bob at the conference introducing Mr. Minow.

I'm here to introduce you to the only chairman in the 83-year history of the Federal Communications Commission,

whom you can name,

except maybe for Robert E. Lee, but he wasn't the Robert E. Lee,

so he doesn't count.

Newton Minow has a long, long,

and distinguished career in public service and law.

He was the 2016 recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

And these are kind of hard to come by, although under current circumstances I think Ted Nugent is next on the list.

Mr. Minow is a genuine visionary.

He, among other things, is the reason why when televisions had tuning dials,

there was a second one for UHF. The opening of that spectrum, among other

accomplishments, enabled PBS to grow from coast to coast. Sometimes Mr. Minnows, the visionary,

Mr. Minnoy's vision was kind of bleak. He is most famous, most

famous for Tuesday, May 9th, 1961, when he spoke to the National Association of Broadcasters

and informed them that their accumulated efforts had created a vast wasteland,

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