Welcome to a Cytations Needed News Brief. I am Neema Shirazi.

I'm Adam Johnson.

We do these news briefs in between our regularly scheduled episodes of Cytations Needed.

And we are so excited this time around to welcome back friend of the show, Josie Defi Rice,

two Cytations Needed to talk about an amazing new podcast series that she created and is hosting

Unreformed the story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children. It's an investigative

series and we are excited to talk about it. There are all sorts of through lines that we talk

about. There is media, there is race, there is corporatism and capitalism.

Yes, we did get a preview of this. Producer of Cytations Needed, Florence Borot Adams,

is the scripture advisor on the podcast. So we're excited to have Josie on to talk about her

collaboration with Florence and specifically this topic which intersects, as Neema mentioned,

with a lot of stuff we're talking about. So without further ado, we welcome Josie Defi Rice,

friend of the show. Back two Cytations Needed, Josie is a journalist and writer whose work covers

policing prisons and the criminal legal system, the creator and co-host of the web-enominated

podcast Justice in America. Josie is now the creator and host of Unreformed the story of the

Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children. A new eight-part investigative,

limited series, the first episode of which drops today Wednesday, January 18th. Welcome,

Josie back to Cytations Needed. Thank you guys for having me. This new series Unreformed that

Adam and I were lucky enough to get a little preview of before having you on is really remarkable

and it really weaves together so many things that not only we talk about but obviously

that you have been working on throughout your career and we know that this didn't just

come together in the past few weeks. This has been a long time coming. This has been a long

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