Welcome to a citations needed news brief. I am Neema Shirazi. I'm Adam Johnson. We do these news

briefs in between our regularly scheduled episodes when, uh, oh I don't know, we need to talk about the

larger dick wolf of verse and the endless copaganda that not only have we seen for decades but has

reached maybe a new fever pitch. Before we get to that, of course, I should mention that you can

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listener funded and today Adam, we want to talk specifically about a recent episode of the

rebooted law and order police procedural police law procedural, uh, the kind of set the stage

initially started airing in 1990. Now it is backs and waterston is back and we have with us to

talk about this recent episode episode six of law and order season 22. It's called vicious cycle

and oh my god, is it a doozy and we are joined by our guest today, Jawan J. Holmes, Brooklyn

born journalist and writer specializing in digital media culture and art criticism. You can follow

Jawan on Twitter while it still exists at Jawan, the writer, Jawan. Thank you so much for joining us

today on citations needed. Hello, Adam Neema. Thank you for inviting me. I'm excited. As I'll

get into I'm very much into the law and order universe. But as we'll talk about it, I'm definitely

taking a turn that even I can't even with the low bar. That has been set for decades. Yeah,

for those who don't know, law and order, the original, which is the only one I ever watched. I never

watched S for you because there was too many. It was too grotesque. You know, it was constantly

talking about there's lines where she's talking about, you know, uh, and you saw the most of the

banana and I was like, you know, I think I'm done here. And law and order, the original though,

which I watched, it was on from 1990 to 2010, went off the air for 11 years then came back in 2021.

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