Welcome to a Citations Needed News Brief. I am Neemah Shirazi. I'm Adam Johnson.

Many of you may have seen this sort of viral story passed by your Twitter machine or on Facebook,

elsewhere potentially just last week, a fashion blogger in Chicago.

Hoda Katebi was interviewed on Chicago's WGN9 TV station like their morning news show.

And it quickly devolved from talk about Aranian and kind of more generally Muslim fashion, she's a fashion blogger.

And during the course of this, what turned out to be a really bizarre interview, these two anchors

started talking to her about, among other things, pre-revolutionary Aran and what they saw as being very free

and cosmopolitan then, obviously no talk about a tyrannical dictatorship under the Shah.

And then it also pivoted into talk about nuclear weapons. So this whole thing was completely bizarre.

And Hoda, the guest I think did an amazing job pushing back on this. It's one of the most impressive

live interview pushbacks I've ever seen. It really sums up the, someone we've talked about

on this occasionally, but the, I mean, aside from the kind of boilerplate national security in

Egypt, Iran is out to kill us all, default position at all, media, corporate media has to take

to be accepted as being serious, right? It's sort of the official dogma of the United States media class

and political class is the, the sort of raw essentialism, the idea that each Muslim somehow

represents all Muslims and that each Iranian represents all Iranians. As you see sometimes,

you know, African Americans, they sort of speak for a community. So here you have someone who's

an Iranian-American who's of course not Iran, not even, not any Iran, does not live in Iran.

And it's suddenly, you know, is there to talk about fashion and her fashion blog, something,

you know, I think one of the sort of like sports is something that we sort of don't normally

associate with geopolitical intrigue. And yet here she is. And one of the first questions

she's asked about is Iran's nuclear program. We should, we should just listen to the clip and

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