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Joel Waldman.

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Looks like it's going to be another fun-filled evening of technical joy on our end but welcome to everybody we don't

typically just appear on your screen but we did just now and it's going to be a

good one tonight a little bit different, but welcome to another episode of surviving the survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guest in all of true crime and welcoming to the show I'm just going to do

the intros right out of the gate today we've got Kathy Munkman Hiam otherwise

known as Katie, cool lady, and Katie's got a sad backstory and that is that

her sister was actually the victim of a murder and Katie herself has her own YouTube channel and is working on a book.

Katie, can you tell us about the book that you're working on? I've been working on it for about nine years now, but it is a memoir, is either a memoir wrapped in a true crime story or the opposite, but it's about my journey toward justice and my sister's homicide and my own kind of personal involvement in evolution.

And it's really a labor of love to kind of define my sister in a different way other than being a person who got in a very bad situation that got her killed.

So hopefully this year it'll be done.

Yeah, and do you have a publisher you looking for a publisher or

Looking anybody out there wants to talk? I'll introduce you to my publisher. He does a lot of

True crime type stuff, so he might very well be interested and I will make the

introduction. Thank you friend. Yeah yeah next up Dr. Joni Johnston as we go in

a clockwise order here she is a

forensic psychologist a private investigator a crime writer

uh... she's worked in a uh... medium maximum security prison she's worked with the

board of parole for the superior court of San Diego. The list goes on.

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