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There has now been another plan that has been unveiled to redo Penn Station.

Mm-hmm. I did see that. And there's a big push now to try to get this thing done.

And it's going to cost a lot of money to get it done.

And in this latest plan by ASTM North America rivals the plan put forth by the MTA.

And ASTM North America says this particular plan would cost less, a billion dollars less than the MTA. And ASCM North America says this particular plan would cost less a billion dollars less than the MTA.

And if I had to ask you, Jerry, the worst agency in the history of any political state in this country is what?

Well, I mean, given this conversation conversation my guess is you're going to say

the mta yeah it's a black call that i would disagree and corruption and all sorts of crap you know

it's the congestion pricing fee and everything else that goes into it and you know the fight between

the federal government now and the state government and everything else that's going on so this

plan released uh released by as tm actually takes madison's government now and the state government and everything else that's going on. So this plan

released by ASTM actually takes Madison Square Garden and moves it. Really? To where does it say?

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