We've been covering Nancy Gray, Nancy Guthrie.

Apologies.

People make that mistake.

How dare I?

I've been covering Nancy Guthrie for 34 days.

And I think I was maybe because Karm is on the show today.

Nancy Grace yells at me and the confusion started right off the bat already into chaos.

And the show is not even 23 seconds old but

we're going to do something different here with Nancy Guthrie and that's because my beautiful

mother, Carm, who you all know is co-hosting today. She's also a licensed therapist. So we're

going to ask a question that no one else covering this case can answer, except for maybe Karm.

And that is, what does life actually look like at the age of 84?

Because I don't know that we're all grasping that.

And unless you're 84 years old, you don't really know, except for my co-host,

who does? Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best

guests in all of true crime. Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel

Waltman. What's up, SCS Nation?

Welcome, Surviving and Survivor.

This is the global phenomenon, turning into a universal phenomenon,

turning into a galactic phenomenon, bringing you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And Fridays here are always a special day because I get to spend it with my one and only mother.

Imagine if you had, you know, 17 mothers.

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